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Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.04 00:35:00 - [1] Jade will always win here, in words. I think we already know that well. What really happens is no consequence. Jade will simply manufacture whatever she wishes to achieve that victory. And in this case -a- is fighting the battle for her. Mining is not a current concern, pilots busy elswhere, and mining indices are of little importance. They will drop. As a corp we don't even earn isk from mining. We never have. So it is something of a laugh. As for docking, that is hardly the case. Indeed there is more sport in baiting with procurers so that we can kill SF loki. As for freedom. Anyone can claim they fight in the name of freedom. Anyone can claim they are NRDS. It's very easy, especially easy for an alliance which doesn't even hold space. There is no risk, and words are cheap. I challenge Jade to show us real freedom, since what we now have in providence is apparently not. Take a slice of providence and make it truly free. Now is the time to act it would seem. Put some real action in the place of your bountiful words. Others claim NRDS. But where else in the wilds of null are even remotely free? Tell us where other than empire and providence can a new pilot even hope to fly without being engaged by the sovreignty holders. If UK take providence, will it be free for any to enter? What about -a-? This is easy to test, of course. Simply fly to their space and die. It is not free space by any definition. We can't test Star Fraction so easily. And no, empire space does not count. Hold sovreignty a while, dear Jade, and show us how easy this is. Show us your freedom in practice. Or simply do only as you have ever done, and write more words.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.04 05:40:00 - [2] My apologies. I was probably in 9uy being blown up at the time. And yes, I dare say we will see plenty of cowardly ****roaches picking over the bones now that -a- are hitting prov. Interesting how you never saw them when we were available to fight freely without the full force of -a- at the back door. Anyway, the challenge remains. Jade can show us how to administer some of Providence as a true free state. Come now. if CVA is so bad and Jade is the answer, then just show us. I look forward to Jade's version of providence.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.04 23:34:00 - [3] SF killed some lone careless pilots. It happens. SF was also repeatedly baited and killed. It was still ineffectual. Now the entire SF campaign is meaningless. You can now only be vultures at best. Seriously, there is little more to say. Until SF holds space and shows us this 'freedom' then we have no common frame of reference. Until then it is really just words.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.05 01:00:00 - [4] This sounds like a cop out. Again.. just words. SF is completely unwilling or unable to actually demonstrate this idea of free space. All they can do is claim that providence is not free space. Get some space and remove all the obsacles of freedom. Show us. Otherwise... More words. No action. To be fair of course, I fear the SF definition of freedom is completely lawless space where everyone is shot on sight. Thanks. New Eden is already full of that. First you need to understand that any true 'freedom' will always require restrictions for the good of all. But please show us the error of our ways. Any time.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.05 16:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Xina Tutor Any true 'freedom' will always require restrictions for the good of all. If the concept is flawed so is your argument. If there are restrictions, there is no true freedom. NRDS policies are not true freedom either as you restrict your pilots to operate under their own standards. The only way to achieve true freedom is to hold absolute power. That will dictate your supposed freedom, and the restrictions will be set by your own capacity or lack of it, not otherwise. Which is as I suspect. The idea of freedom here is no rules at all... It's completely lawless space where everyone does as they wish and the only pilots who are 'free' are the one's with the best ship at the time or the biggest gang. Freedom for a moment. In this situation, only some god of myth would be truly free. Oh dear, that sounds like most of New Eden outside empire control. A place where few can fly, that closed and all but dead space available only to a select few. It is the easy way, of course, and most will flock to the easy path. Shoot any you do not see as friend. It shows they simply do not have what it takes to really walk the more difficult road that our pilots have taken. And it is a difficult road few have dared tread. We have plenty of words writen against us, yet few who dare to show us a better path with action. Just words. We have only these would-be armchair godlings who can only suggest giving New Eden more lawless space just as all the rest. You should at least understand that real freedom for the majority will have limits set upon the individual. Indeed I suspect you know this all too well, Jade certainly does. But admitting this would demand action, and those who denounce Providence holders are not known for action, only words. There is blood in the air. The vultures circle. The mighty Star Fraction may even be allowed to pick over some bones if their new masters allow it. At least it gets them out of their empire based stations for a while. And. As a final thought. We have already won. Yes, that is correct. Even if we should vanish from New Eden tomorrow, we shall know that we have indeed achieved that dream. We set out with a mission, and we have given New Eden our vision. This is something that can never be taken away. We have lived it. Others continue to only dream.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.05 16:28:00 - [6] More words from Jade as well, I see. Jade of course claims that Star Fraction has lowered indices, ignoring the fact that their new masters, a real alliance, has been keeping pilots busy elsewhere. But I'm sure Star Fraction need these little victories. A victory in text only. We still wait to see this freedom in practice. And let us not forget we are all indeed slaves in one for or another. Each pilot is a slave to the society they choose to work within. I certainly have no difficulty being called a slave in this case. A Star Fraction pilot is as much a slave as any if they wish to fly under this banner. They fly as Jade Constantine demands, under her rules of engagement, or they do not fly for her. They fly under a set of rules. And yet they still claim freedom. The definition of a slave is indeed a very flexble one. One might also define the same actions as friendship and loyalty. And this is how I choose to see it. I am sure Jade uses such terms as well as she sees fit. You can be certain Star Fraction pilots are never referred to as slaves, and yet they fly freely for their dictator. For no income. Jade may call us slaves if she wishes. It matters not. Our vision is achieved. It is historical record. Now let us see the vision of Star Fraction. Or do they continue on the easy road?
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.05 16:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 05/02/2010 16:14:57 Originally by: Xina Tutor Which is as I suspect. The idea of freedom here is no rules at all... It's completely lawless space where everyone does as they wish and the only pilots who are 'free' are the one's with the best ship at the time or the biggest gang. Freedom for a moment. In this situation, only some god of myth would be truly free. The idea of freedom is simple really: your freedom starts and ends at limits you can manage. It's my freedom to set my faith at war with you if I so desire. Now, it's your freedom to resist it. No boundaries, no rules are needed to understand such simple motions. It's how the Universe operates. Strong people deserving of life needs no laws. Your right ends where the right of one more powerful than you starts. It's very beautiful. Leaves you no option but to succeed or die and give space to the universe to replace a worthless existence with something better perhaps. But I see that the Sani Sabik concept of Right is Might, as a Faith, is not an easy thing to grasp unless in practical terms. I'll show you the way. Thank you dearly. You say it all right here. See... here is the difference. We offer freedom to the weak as well. This is why we have succeeded while others continue to dream. More than ever I am so proud to have been a part of this. Providence will shine forever as a beacon of hope and light throughout New Eden. Again thank you.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.05 17:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Jade Constantine I encourage you read the article linked in my signature. It will help you understand what you are talking about. Oh dear. Sorry. You don't honestly think pilots read more than a fraction of your posts and little to none of your writing in general. I'm sorry, really. I glaze over after a few lines. I live in a very different world I fear. Simply put, I live in the real universe. I don't know, or really care, where you live. Quote: I condemn this concept as worthless and evil. And thank you. You have defined your position well, and as expected. Your freedom is simply lawlessness. It is the freedom of the gun, a freedom which will see that the weak are always the first to die. This is a concept that your masters believe in as well. It is the easy path. I won't call it the 'dark side' simply because not all pilots have what it takes to walk the harder roads. Some pilots need to take an easier way. Perhaps your new Masters will let you administer some space and you can let it be 'free'... for everyone to shoot each other. What an amazing new concept that would be. And yes, by declaring your war at this time, alongside UK as -a- chooses to attack, you have indeed become an -a- pet. Oh dear, the irony of that. And while the vultures do still circle, one should note that we are still actually there. And will be for some time. We did move out hundreds of freighters, by the way. They were full of isk, of course. I wonder what that will be used for? I was thinking real estate in Jita... Anyway, I'm going planetside a couple of days with my very special Gallente girlfriend. Have a nice time under the thumb while I am away... Slave to the big 'A', heh...
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.08 01:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Roderigo Borgia i think you missed the sharp pointy bit of my statement - free people can do what they wish - if that means cooperating with pirates then they are free to do so and logically will when working towards compatible objectives No.. it's okay.. we get it. We understand this position completely. Each have their own concept of 'freedom'. The term is actually quite deceptive, and generally meaningless. in New Eden the closest a pilot may come to 'freedom' is to fly solo and shoot who they wish. Yet even such pilots suffer certain limits if they wish to survive. They still must opperate within our universe to continue to do as such. They must use it's markets and it's many other pilots and entities. They can function only through the indirect aid of others. The Majority of pilots, however, suffer other restriction to their 'freedom'. But in all cases they choose to accept these restrictions of their own free will. -A- defines freedom as the ability to shoot all within their space who are not blue to them. This is a freedom of anarchy which is very common throughout New Eden. But where is the 'freedom' of their pilots? They suffer restrictions as to whom they may shoot, just as any pilots in a corporation or alliance suffer. An -A- pilot may not shoot whoever they wish and stay in the alliance. They may only shoot those who are not blue. Their 'freedom' to act however they wish at any moment is restricted. The restrictions, of course, are not great. This is the easy road, and flying with such an alliance certainly gives the pilot a greater sense of freedom. There are few difficult decisions, and space is easy to defend. It is no wonder the majority of alliances take this easy road. The alternatives are far too difficult for most, it would seem. In Providence, the pilots take a more difficult path. We seek a 'freedom' for more than just ourselve and our friends. We seek a greater freedom which goes beyond this, one to extend the influence of the Empire into lawless space. Even these pilots who live by their NBSI policy in deep space still benefit from the open policy the Empire grants them in Empire space. Indeed we know they have freinds in nuetral corporations who benefit from the open policy in Providence. Yet they oppose this more open policy in lawless space. I believe it is true that our space could be even more open, and recent changes to sovreighty regulations have certainly made this possible. It will certainly be our intention to continue to push for an open Providence. This will be a push for a form of 'freedom' which is far more difficult to accomplish and maintain. It is a difficult path, and it is not one for all. We choose to accept these difficulties and these hard decisions. And we freely choose to join in this venture and accept the restrictions to our 'freedom' to bring about something larger than ourselves. And so I am indeed free, as free as any within New Eden, regardless of the ranting we see here. Because, be honest here. The freedom -A- speaks of, and indeed UK and SF and the other pets, is a freedom for themselves only. Extending beyond that is where the fun begins... I should note also, regardless of my heritage, I am in fact not a religious fanatic. I will no longer describe myself as an atheist either. I am in fact a realist. I live within the real universe... and still retain this vision of 'freedom'. Although this may well be a holy crusade to many, and I respect such devotion to theit belief, it is also a very simple campaign against all the piracy of New Eden in all it's forms. And so as difficult as our road may seem to others at times, the light ahead is very clear for us to see.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.08 01:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Darveses Edited by: Darveses on 08/02/2010 01:47:52 Originally by: Xina Tutor UK and SF and the other pets Did you really just say that? Am I the only one to see the irony? Certainly. Because I believe they are as much pets as are we. Take that how you will.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.08 04:10:00 - [11] It was nice to see Star Fraction dust off the Abaddons for a change. And they were indeed too much for the slightly lighter ships of the Sev3rance fleet for that period. I am dissapointed that I was sleeping as it would have been nice to finally face the fraction flying some real ships instead of taking a less risky option. The new pos is up... and reinforced. But Jade and the guys have done a nice job repairing the weapons platforms there.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.13 00:53:00 - [12] Originally by: D melanogaster Originally by: The Cosmopolite XV7L-S Developmental Indices Update really... no one cares.... shhhh Oh but we do care... Dearly. I really love to mine. A lot. It is what I look forward to each day. Without it I doubt I can ever fly again.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.19 20:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Namelessness The sort of creatures that talk too much, in love with their own voices, to fill the emptiness and the inevitable void from taking over their senses. What is this utter tripe? I hope you will be back at the head of the Sev3rance forces against our tower at the battle of space and freedom IV tomorrow. Less experimental drugs and more fighting. This is just so funny coming from Jade.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.20 05:43:00 - [14] Heh.. well this is in the middle of my usual sleep period, but I will see if I can make a special effort for you :)

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